Can chemotherapy cure metastatic liver cancer?
From all the metastatic liver cancer stories we gather, few of them are told by a cancer survivor.
Some that passed away did get chemotherapy, but this cancer treatment was only to:
- reduce pain (in case it can temporarily reduce or slow down the growth of a cancer)
- prolong life.
But we get puzzled when reading Kistan2’s comment on Avastin for metastatic liver cancer where she says :
they tried another infusion of Avastin but
we all knew that this next infusion of Avastin
wouldn’t do anything to help my husband
What worries me is where Kistan2 says : we all knew that this next infusion of Avastin wouldn’t do anything.
3 worried questions come in mind…
- when you know Avastin is not going to help, then why is it still given?
- are you sure "all" knew?
Father had clearly asked if there was any chemotherapy that could cure him, and the answer given to father was a clear NO.
Having that knowledge, it’s no point in discussing 5FU, Avastin, Nexavar or what we thought was quite a cute medicine: Xeloda (being a pill that supposedly only starts working when it finds a cancer cell…, don’t be fooled: it’s chemotherapy taken orally…).
- do you tell the patient he or she is dying?
When people don’t know the cancer will kill them, then these people still have hope and courage to try anything.
In father’s case:
if he was told there was hope for a cure,
he would have taken a severe chemotherapy cocktail, no matter what.Severe, as he had secondary liver cancer with unknown primary. In proper English: nobody knew where his cancer originated from, so in order for a chemotherapy to be effective, they needed to fight "all cancers possible".
Always ask your oncologist what can be expected and
how sure he is relying on his experience.
In simple words: in my experience I have a few friends that survived breast cancer after being treated with radiation, mastectomy and chemotherapy. So when I hear ‘breast cancer’ I have hope (knowing very well that treating breast cancer is a much more difficult and much longer road than surviving dengue fever or treating a cold).
When it comes to metastatic liver cancer, my experience so far is: not having encountered any secondary liver cancer survivor. If you have, please ask him or her to share with us his cancer story!
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Our father passed away from metastatic liver cancer because none of his doctors had ever seen nor experienced sombody surviving this disease.
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The best cancer treatment: having a healthy body
As long as there is no bullet proof cure for cancer, it all boils down to Darwin's survival of the fittest. The best way to get ahead of cancer is:
- making sure you don't get cancer
- making sure your body has all it can get to kill cancer cells
Cancer prevention boils down to eating and living healthy, keeping a healthy mind in a healthy body.
Easier said than done in a world were your job stresses you out, car smoke pollutes your air, food is filled with residu's and water is polluted.
But if your life is dear to you, then you cannot use all the above as an excuse. Father had been smoking, had worked with asbestos and didn't eat much vegetables nor fruit. Father died with metastatic liver cancer in a way I wouldn't even wish my worst enemy.
When your life is dear to you, start doing all the things that our metastatic liver cancer survivors are doing:
1. Believe there is a cure : believe it like you believe the sun will rise tomorrow.
2. Use conventional medicine like chemotherapy, surgery and/or radiation therapy.
3. Use alternative cancer treatments to boost your immune system and overall health:
- the healthier you are: the better you can fight of diseases and
- the healthier you are: the better chemotherapy could work for you
4. Follow an holistic health approach: having a healthy spirit in a healthy body:
- focus on less stress,
- more relaxation,
- more exercise (Jim's son is swimming twice a week for both exercise and relaxation),
- a healthy diet based on organic products
- make sure you have a hobby to pass your time doing something you love
5. Make sure you have money or good health insurance to buy what you need to better achieve all of the above.
6. Surround yourself with as many loving and helpful creatures you can find: according to pancreatic cancer patient Patrick Swayze:
"you gotta have a dog"
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Hi
Ive just lost my partner Jackie 43yrs old to Cancer Metastic Liver Dease with an unknown primary, Jackie had symtoms for only four and a half weeks before peacefully passing away at home.
Jackie never smoked or drank and had a active lifestyle looking after two Children 10 and 5 yrs old.
My self and my children are devistated.
Paul
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@Paul
All our hugs and prayers to you and your family. The road is long and hard.
We explained in Jackie 43 years old passed away to metastatic liver cancer why Trish of 43 is a metastatic liver cancer survivor but Jackie is not.
Please leave your support or hugs for Paul and his 2 children.
Hi
I send all of my love and support for those who have been affected by liver cancer either directly or indirectly. My father passed away almost 4 months ago at the age of 55 from this disease. I miss my dad every day that passes. So this is my prayer, I pray that one day liver cancer will be able to be treated and the statistics of those who survive this disease rise. God Bless You All!
HI ya I m so sorry to hear of Jackies Passing away I ve been diagnosed with breast cancer early stage and know i will survive and it hurts me to see people suffer from lost ones Im 41 and diagnosed when 39 never thought i d see this day but am pessimistic and think it will kill me eventually so hope your donig ok hun
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@Chrissy
Thanks for sharing, we still have the "4 months" feeling after now 18 months.
More thoughts about your comment at Chrissy’s metastatic liver cancer story
My hug and prayer to you and your family.
I cant begin to explain the hurt and the pain this cancer is causing my life.. Ive just turned 22 and my fathers lying in a hospice awaiting his fate. Me and my father were never close and when I went back to New Zealand in September 2007 (my dads from Norway) I got a letter in the mail in December. It was from him saying hes now found out hes got liver mets.
I remember my whole body just froze and I felt the pressure build up behind my eyes.. the only think I could do was go back. I came back in April 2008 and he didn’t look good at all, and it was only then I realized what a responsibility I had in front of me.
My family here suck to put it lightly and couldnt care less about him. So Ive had to face this war with him alone. There has been a lot of ups and downs and only now has the cancers true colors begun to show itself..
It started with him just not wanting food at all anymore not that he was eating much before that and I just knew I had to call the hospice. His liver has now enlarged in only a matter of three days and his spleen has enlarged to, I broke down in tears when I saw this as i realized this is the next level.. A level im having a very hard time accepting.
It doesn’t make it easier when the family that actually do care are down in New Zealand.. its hard not having anybody here. Im terrified to go see him as im scared as to how much more he will have progressed.. he cant walk anymore or do anything himself and hes just gotten so weak..
I’m just having trouble with the fact that hes never coming home again.. I feel like I’m mourning his death everyday as the pain of it all is so strong.
My birthday wish this year was that I hope he doesn’t suffer a lot of pain when he leaves me behind.. its such a shame we never had that father – son relationship.. and now it will never happen..
I’m scared of when the next bomb will go off.. because no matter what i do.. i just cant prepare myself for this..
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@Patrick
All our hugs and prayers.
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Patrick,
I know how you feel. You just explained my feelings too.
One Tuesday just over five weeks ago I awoke to the start of the worst part of the rest of my life. The day before I had taken my 26 year old son to the doctor with the results of a CT scan which showed colorectal cancer with very serious metatastic liver and some lung cancer and was told that the outcome would be poor.
This came as a complete shock as he is not a drinker, smoker or drug taker. Just a normal laid back down to earth guy.
Later he had to have an emergency operation to relieve the pressure in his bowel which was originally diagnosed as constipation.
Subsequently he has undergone two lots or intravenous chemo and is udergoing the second round of oral chemo.
He is also complimenting these drugs with alternative therapies administered by his aunt an oncology nurse with an Msc. in cancer nursing who also nursed her own way back from breast cancer with these therapies and chemo and is now completely free of cancer.
My son is in good spirits eating well (more than he has done for ages) and gaining weight. He has no repsonsibility to anybody but to just get well and is off work from his normal job in IT.
On his last visit to the oncologist his liver levels were down by 50% which is good.
I will keep you posted on his progress; the main thing I think is to stay positive and stress free.
Wish us well.
Jim
I am sorry to hear your story. It sounds a lot like the road I am on. My mom and my best friend was just diagnosed with breast cancer metastis to the liver and bone – Advanced Stage IV. We celebrated when we thought she beat Breast Cancer in 2006. They did a bone scan and ct scan in 06 that said – 4 foci consistant with mestatis in the bone. Then they did a Petscan and ruled it out. We celebrated!! Then just 2 months ago she started getting sick alot. We thought it was because of the pain meds she was taking for the pain in her back. Then she would not eat and she lost 24 pounds in 2 months. I began playing doctor back in 06 and started a medical library on her. I was with her in every single test – seriously – I was in the room for xrays and ultrasounds and in the prep room of every surgery. I thought I was on top of all her medical issues. In reviewing her records, I brought it to the docs attention that she had diabetes. We were just about to treat her leg blockage when we got hit with this diagnosis. How could i have missed this!??! This cancer has been growing in there for 2 1/2 years and we were worried about diabetes and blocks. Anyway, today she can eat and can’t stop throwing up. She can’t even take any meds for the pain or nausea – that comes right up. She is dehydrated and gets fluids every other day at radiation (which is done M-F – Chemo on Tue). The docs don’t want to say she is dying but IS SHE? What is the path of this brutal disease? Am I on borrowed time? I haven’t left her side in the last 2 weeks except to take care of my kids and husband at home and to work. I don’t want to miss a minute of her – even if it’s holding her barf bucket and wiping her face. My Dad and Mom both are holding onto hope that she will get better soon. I can’t be that optimistic. I saw the cancer in her lung on the screen and the bone cancer all over her body (including her fasical bones). Can someone tell me what stage of this nasty disease we are at? Days, Weeks, Months….. Should I take a leave from my job? Are we at the end? I want to be with her when God takes her. I need to be with her holding her hand when she leaves. Please give me any info and insight you have. I have accepted Gods will but I need the peace of being with her. Please give me an idea where we are so I don’t miss that.
Janet
my father 86 he has copd with lunger, lymph nodes and liver cancer he can do no treatments i pray everyday we have 1 more christmas with him part of me is dieing everyday with him i cant imagine living on this earth without him the hard part is not knowing when i tell him goodnight i love you and kiss him and say i’ll see you in the morning knowing 1 on these mornings i wont see him he deserves a wonderful funeral he was a POW in wwII hes a great and wonderfu manl but i dont even have enough money for a card board box to put him in i am so sorry for all of you that has been and who is going thru this god bless you and all of your families
@Janet
Insist the doctors and specialist to give you a diagnosis (no need to bring your mother along, that if needed can always done in another appointment).
Ask for a second opinion in a center specialised with the diagnosis set by the first doctors and or specialists.
We featured your story at Dying from liver failure where we also talk more about end stage symptoms.
@everybody
Give Nicole a hug:
her father has stage iv lung cancer
I have read many stories posted on this blog as I was trying to find some answers to my best friends horrible diagnosis. My best friend of nineteen years was recently diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer which has already spread to her liver. She is only 32 years old. While I try to keep a positive attitute, I too am starting to mourn her death before she is even gone. Im scared for her. I dont want to see her suffer. She has three young children, one of which is a newborn. The doctors are going to start chemo on her and hopefully shrink the tumors before operating. Im hoping that she is young enough that there is some chance of survival. I know the odds are against her. I dont know how to comfort her, and I also dont know how to fight the tears from my eyes everytime I get on the phone with her and she tells me she cant eat, she’s constantly throwing up, shes weak, and simply tired of living. I keep telling her to fight we have to have faith. I cant bring myself to tell her Im scared shes going to die. The doctors told her she may have 2 to 8 years to live if she responds to chemo. I love her so much, we grew up together and shes a sister to me more than anything. I also lost a good friend of mine to stomach cancer 5 years ago. She died at age 34. I feel like history is repeating itself. I dont know how to Im going to cope watching her go thru chemo, possibly lose her hair and weight, and just overall suffer. Can anybody give me any advice?
@Shiana
Dear Shiana,
We shared our thoughts and answered your questions at:
Death of Patrick Swayze : never start mourning a person who is still alive.
In the case of Patrick Swayze: it’s almost one year that he outlived his cancer diagnosis, so that’s one year his family and friends have been able to enjoy lots and lots of good moments with Patrick Swayze.
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@Jim
We still wish you and your family well Jim!
Since a month has passed between your comment and now,
we featured your metastatic liver cancer survival story at :
Colon cancer spread to liver
We would love to read an update and asked you some extra questions at :
Colon cancer spread to liver
I would like to post an update on my son. He is taking Xeloda and Oxaliplatin intravenous. He was recently told that the tumour in the bowel had shrunk from 1.4 to 1.1cm and the liver cancers were receeding. The oncologitsts were extremely surprised (they actually said the improvements were significant) and have now decided to give him a second round of chemo. He was origianally told that if the first round of chemo made no improvement that would be it. He is on the second round now and after these three he will be going onto Xeloda orally for a time (we don’t know how long).
The other thing is that the oncology dept and hospital have been marvelous and very caring.
Conclusion from report of last scan:
“Internal improvement post chemotherapy in the form of decrease in the size of lung lesions as well as liver metastasis and primary site at sigmoid colon”.
He is still gaining weight and eating well and has no sickness whatsoever and no hair loss; he even looks healthier now than he did prior to diagnosis- albeit he gets tired sometimes. He is also staying positive and we are looking after him so he can get well. His aunt also treats him with relaxation procedures three times a week.
I have to admit that I think the complimentary treatment is helping with the chemo. I don’t know but something seems to be working.
I will keep you posted.
I have so much faith that this is going to work.
Jim
@Jim
We still wish you and your family well Jim!
Thanks for the update that we featured
with some extra questions for you and all chemotherapy users at:
Jim’s son successful secondary liver cancer treatment
Looking forward for your update next month or anytime you feel like dropping by.
Thanks Jim!
I wrote about 1-2 months ago about my father he had lung cancer that had mets to the liver and was in stage 4. my father passed on 12-14-08. it was so quick and the pain i feel is so bad. keep everyone close to all of you and enjoy all time you have with your loved ones.
@Nicole
(Nicole’s lung cancer story is featured here: Give Nicole a hug: her father has stage iv lung cancer)
Give your condolences, hugs and prayers to Nicole!
We know pain is indescribable…
You can still pass Christmas imagining your father is one of the stars in the sky.
Just like we imagined father was the sun that peeped through the clouds on the cold winter-day of his funeral.
Feel free to drop by anytime Nicole!
Hugs, prayers and all our love.
I was diagnosed with secondary liver cancer of unknown origin on August 1, 2007.
I’ve been given several chemotherapy injections over the first 6 months with no change. I was on oral Xeloda for 8.5 months, again with no change.
Other than pretty mild reactions to the chemos – the worst being fatigue! I stopped taking Xeloda in Oct. 2008. I will be given another CT scan the 1st week of Feb, 2009.
Does that make me a “survivor”? Nothing has gotten better, and nothing has gotten worse. All my blood tests are fine. I imagine you are wondering if I DO have cancer. Yes, unfortunately.
In July 2007 I had a CT scan to help diagnose a cough that wouldn’t go away. They found several tumors in my liver instead.
I had a biopsy and they determined it is adenocarcinoma in the liver but of unknown origin.
I’ve decided to be “done” with cancer. I’m just going about my life as if it wasn’t there. It’s a LOT less stressful that way. I’m going to get CT scans every three months and have all the blood tests – I’m not in denial, just figure I am living with all these tumors in my liver and I’m not going to let them get me down any longer.
Anyone else have this type of experience?
Patti
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@Patti
Thanks for sharing Patti and
Lots of hugs
We featured your cancer story and question for similar experiences at :
New survivor Patti’s secondary liver cancer treatment eliminating chemotherapy side effects
I’m a IIIc Ovarian Cancer patient where my cancer has spread to the liver, colon, and the lungs (quite possibly more places). I live for right now. I’m married to the man of my dreams and we got married just 2 days before my very first chemo treatment. We’re in this together and still are. I just recently got off of the drugs Avastin and Etoposide after 6+ years of living with this disease. To say I have had my share of chemo is an understatement.
Now that I have a small break from chemo, I plan to try alternative methods to rid myself of this disease including a healthy organic diet, meditation, yoga, Tai Chi, and I also utilize cannabis for extreme pain, nausea, and digestive problems. My colon hardly works so I really have to be on top of things constantly. I can’t use any narcotic or really any pain medications since they tend to block up my system. Hence the cannabis. It also makes me incredibly thirsty which in turn allows me to easily consume massive amounts of water and of course the prune juice. Oh yum!
I do have an internist who over sees my many digestive problems and I am not allowed to eat raw vegetables because its too complicated for me to digest. I do eat lots of protein shakes, take vitamins, and utilize wheat grass. Yes, I wish to stay around for many, many more years.
I was provided antidepressants which I took for a few years until my cancer had returned after 3 and half years of which I decided to get my dream dog. I had always dreamed of getting a Shetland Sheepdog my entire life and since life can be short; why not? She’s a beautiful Blue Merle Sheltie named Blue Belle. She really does make a serious difference in my mood and I can’t think of anything that can make me smile (oh my husband too!) like she can. We’ve trained her very good and she is a Canine Good Citizen and my service dog. I get anxiety attacks sometimes and she is very able to calm me from them. What can I say, cancer sucks but she, my husband, my friends, my family all make living with it so much better. I hope we can find a cure soon!
@CJ
Thanks for sharing, we will feature your complete story in the beginning of next month and already a little at Jan 26th!
Hugs!!!
Just a very quick update on my son. Yesterday 22/01/09 he received the results of the latest CT scan. There has been a verry very remarkable decreased in the liver metastasis, probably more than 65 % from the last scan. The oncologoist was elated and said that the decrease was extraordiary in the short time and they have now decided to stop the oxaliplatin and put him one Xeloda for the next couple of weeks to give him body a rest. The lung lesions are stable and the colon tumour is too. They want to rid the liver of the cancer first then look at an operation to remove the colon tumour when he is strong enought to take the operation.
Things are looking good. And I am sure the alternative therapy is a major aid to his recovery.
I will keep you posted and give you a list later of the alternative medicines.
Best wishes,
Jim
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Many many thanks Jim for your update.
We featured your son’s improvement at Successful colon cancer treatment.
We wish you and your family well!
Looking forward to read your son’s list of alternative treatments.
My Heart goes out to all you folks as I know the struggle well. Jenny is now in her 12th year of a cancer battle and was sent home to die now almost a tear ago. When they sent her home they said it would only be a few weeks. but jenny sews from her chair every day. Breast cancer was found in 1996. Chemo, radiation, mastectomy and reconstruction followed , none of which were neither fun OR successful. jenny, My wife of 41 years cant walk or stand as tumors have destroyed her back, hips, legs and neck. All of this while in an ongoing regimen of many different poisons purposed to “help her”. At home , on hospice now, but refusing to give in or give up. She was to be “Gone”months ago.
Ive said all that to give you hope. I started a blog to help and encourage all of you who struggle. There is so very much you can do to battle these cancers , And none of it comes from your Doctor. You have the tools to change your prognosis. I would invite you to scan the articles i’ve writtin as we have learned new and important facts on our Cancer journey. to many to post here. but if you begin today to care for the body God gave you, you’ll be amazed at the results.
Begin to drink fresh organic juice every day, at least twice, drink good clean water and avoid sugar as it shuts down your immune system. Stop eating processed foods And eat as much raw veggies as you can. Jenny can be so very sick that just the smell of food does her in, but every time this happens i cut up a couple fresh tomatos and cucumbers and she eats it all. Things designed by God seem to work,,,hmmmm?
Avoid putting shampoo’s mousses, hand creams etc on your skin, they contain alcohol, bleach and formeldehyde, all known poisons that soak in your pours and tax your immune system.
hair sprays window cleaners , detergents also are toxic and hurt you, especially if your already battling cancer or some other disease.
these are just a few of the things that are hurting you right now, and every one can be replaced by somthing more tolerable.
Microwave’s leach plastic toxins on foods heated. Aluminum pans also leach chemicals. the list is long
But dont give up hope, there are many tools for you to use and you have an amazing body created by an Awesome Creator more than able to sustain your life.
Jenny’s battle is ongoing because we have addressed these issues. Gods very best to you all. If I can help , even in a small way, please visit, or E-mail http://www.cancer-isnt-scary.blogspot.com
thnx SSNUFFY aka Allen
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21/02/2009
Update of my son. He was hopitlaised four days prior to Christmas for an infection and again two three weeks ago. On the last hospitlisation they found nothing, no infection or any thing else but he had a very watery dishcage from the stoma as the bowel lining was not absobing properly because of the chemo, that has now stabalised: but whilst in hospital they decided that his condition had improved and that the bowel cancer was breaking up and upon resluts of a CTI scan (already done) and a PET scan in March they think they maybe able to remove the bowel tumour and some the the liver mets as they are about 75% reduced on last scan could even be more by now. The anitbotics made him tired but not enough to stop him swimming twice weekly in his aunts indoor swimming pool, which gave him great relaxation.
His condition is stable and his attitude positive; he is also contiuning on with the alternative treatments especially the immune system booster and mushroom extracts.
He has some pain in the stomach but this only to be expected as the bowel is reforming after chemo (which he has stopped now for three weeks, as four weeks is esential for good PET scan results. When the pain is bad he takes Endone, but only when it is really bad and that is not that often.
He is staying positive and talking about when he will be able to get back to his IT job as being at home is a bit boring. He makes very complicated models imported from Japan for therapy and to keep himself occupied.
I will update after the PET scan to let you know what is happens.
Best wishes,
Jim
Just a quick addition to my previous post. My son came back today from seeing the oncologist and his cancer count is down from 2100 to 35 (Yes that is correct 2100 to 35)
Jim
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Hi, I wanted to share with you all a post I wrote on my Cancer Blog for Caring.com about new treatments for liver cancer. Here’s the link:http://www.caring.com/blogs/caring-currents/new-hope-for-liver-cancer
I hope this information is helpful, and would appreciate it if you’d send cancer patients to our site as well if they need more information. Also, I was invited to be a guest blogger here and would love to do so!
Thanks for the invitation!
Melanie Haiken, Senior Editor, Caring.com
Thanks Melanie!
We featured your website caring.com at:
Melanie Haiken helps you to help your parents at caring.com
Hugs and looking forward to work together.
Hello to everyone, it has only been 4 months since my father passed. Seems like forever. I still come on the site to read other stories and just feel the support I get from others stories. Dont ever give up. I know It’s hard. Stay positive. Enjoy every second that you have with your loved one. I pray for you all.
Thanks for dropping by and thanks for your prayers Nicole.
We featured your comment at:
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Hugs back to you and your family!
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