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May 07 2008

2 responses to metastatic liver cancer

Sandra and Glen left a comment on our April Metastatic Liver Cancer post, which we will add below in italics and our feedback in
normal script.

Glen’s Liver Cancer story

Thank you for sharing your story. My mom, aged 71, has been diagnosed as having HHC (Hepatocellular Carcinoma) in April 08. Her MRI indicated multiple Metastasis in her liver (innumerable large and small tumors).

Sounds like father’s diagnosis: lots of words we heard for the first time and when we saw the picture of his liver it became all clear to us: innumerable small tumors scattered in his liver…

Her blood tests indicated elevated Alpha Fetoprotein, and her history of chronic Hepatitis added to the diagnosis of liver tumor.

The liver tumor involves both lobes (which makes it not curable by resection, according to her doctor). She is in pain and takes Hydromorphone.

Father also was in pain due to the expanded liver pushing against all other organs. We tried to keep the pain under control with medicine starting with paracetamol and ending with morphine patches

Doctor said her age and condition doesn’t make her a good liver transplant or liver surgery candidate.

If a liver transplant would have been an option with a certain degree of success, father would have taken that, but he even didn’t have that option because his liver cancer was secondary.

We are looking for all answers and hope to give it our best shot!

If you still have answers Glen, please let us know. For medical answers make sure you get a second opinion and contact hospitals that are specialised in the cancer you describe.

Please update us how it is going.

Sandra’s Liver Cancer story

Today my father was found to have a 12 cm liver mass.

Tomorrow he gets a PET and Wednesday a biopsy.

PET and biopsy as you know being in the field of medicine is standard procedure. Father also had an MRI like Glen’s mom. Hopefully the biopsy gives an answer about what kind of cancer your father has. With our father the biopsy wasn’t any helpful for finding a cure. Yet each case is different and since today is Wednesday, you will get more answers.

Being in the field of medicine I want to see that everything possible is done to save him.
Not knowing all the answers to what he has and how they’ll treat it is exhausting. I can’t lose him yet.

Since you are in the field of medicine and looking at the procedures mentioned above, I am sure you know which questions to ask medically. My sister in law is a specialist herself, and me not being a doctor at all, we did have some clashes… So you will be spared from those useless extra energy consuming fights.

Exhausting is what the future will bring as well, so please update us how it is going.

Please leave a comment to give Glen and Sandra your hugs or to share your knowledge and experience with metastatic liver cancer!

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Apr 25 2008

Metastatic liver cancer

Another metastatic liver cancer story: from Idana, posted 3 months ago on Pammy’s Liver cancer story : please give your hugs!

Idana’s metastatic liver cancer story

I’m reading this…..

My dad just got diagnosed with metastasic liver cancer, and he is feeling terrible, so do we.

We will see the oncologist in two days for the first time, doubts and fear is not nice.

He has two base ball sized masses on liver, some smaller ones on lungs and bones.

Two months ago he seemed very good and now he is pale and skinny, he seems very week, and desperate about pain, taking like 60 mg of morphine twice a day…

I was making some research when I found you…. I’m so sorry some of us have to go through this…. it is very painful for us to see a beloved one go through such pain….

Let’s all pray for each other and squeeze the best out of this awful experience, if we need to learn something from this, let’s learn it with love and patience, let’s be strong for them and give them the best time ever!!!

God bless you. soooo much!!!! Here goes my hug!!!!

Metastatic liver cancer answer

There is nothing much we can add to this metastatic liver cancer story.

Apart from the amount of masses in the liver and not having the knowledge where father’s primary cancer was…

It is like Idana says: very painful for the liver cancer patient (when you are on morphine already, we know the pain is humongous). Also very painful for the loved ones seeing their loved one going through such pain… "No pain" was one of our "quality of life" ideas, easier said than done…

Lot’s of quarreling also between us in this difficult period yet we made sure that our quarrels had a positive, constructive outcome. Emotions do run high when there is a person you want to help but there is no cure available…

But Idana summarizes any metastatic liver cancer story when she says: let’s be strong for them and give them the best time ever.

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Mar 18 2008

Liver cancer story from Sue

Palliative care : Questions from Sue and answers from our metastatic liver cancer experience.

Sue’s palliative care questions

Sue left this comment at do you have a liver cancer story?

God Bless You for what you are trying to do.

I am taking care of my 81-year-old mother who up until last year looked and behaved like a 50-year-old. It is so hard to see her in the state that she is in now. She is so weak and does not want to eat anything. I beg her to eat because of all the meds she is taking but she does not want anything. She does drink a lot of water though. She does not want to go to palliative care and so I am doing the best that I can at home. It is so scary and sad.

How do I know when the end is approaching? I would appreciate any help you can provide.

Metastatic liver cancer answers

As you would have noticed: Sue doesn’t mention if her mother has cancer or not. But she does stress :

I am doing the best that I can at home. It is so scary and sad.

Again, although this blog is about metastatic liver cancer, we don’t look from the doctor’s point of view, but from the eyes of the caregiver, be it Sue, or you…

Do what you can for your cancer loved one : it’s the best gift for him/her and yourself

It is so hard to see her in the state that she is in now. This is a feeling we felt as well…

When you are doing the best you can taking care of a palliative cancer patient, you do have to tell yourself that you cannot do more than you are doing.

You give your loved one the live in the best way you can, although we all know that a "normal person’s day looks more full". Father knew that he was given people "more work than they should" although he never asked for that.

Compared to putting a person in a cold hospital environment, far away from the people and place they love the most: taking care of a person at home increases the quality of life of the person you are taking care of BIG TIME!

It always helps when people have talked about this before they get sick, but most likely you don’t have that luxury now. We for sure didn’t but we did know father, we did know what he loved, so we tried to give that as much as possible. That’s all you can do Sue…

She doesn’t want to eat…

Give food in small portions. Father’s belly was a few times bigger than during the times when he didn’t have his metastatic liver cancer. Just imagine you have no more space in your belly: how would you feel adding food to it?

We did give "astronaut drinks" : you can buy them in the local pharmacy: they are very nutritious and father loved them. Having cancer, being tired… most likely everything that’s makes life more easy is welcome.

We also gave father’s favorite chocolate desserts: yes, he had liver cancer, but at that moment the cancer is much more dangerous than a piece of chocolate. But in the long: expect that the next day will most likely be a bit less of everything you experienced today… So appetite became less, his eating became less and his body absorbing the food became less.

She is so weak…

Sometimes father couldn’t stand up out of his bed. We we always afraid father would fall because he looked so weak. Yet he managed to climb the stairs a few times still…

On the other hand, our uncle who had kidney cancer just fell next to his chair when trying to stand up from it, and in the process broke his hand and hip…

So again: you do the best you can and also hope for the best (uncle was monitored by his dear wife 24/7 as well, but 24 hours minus going to the toilet… and after coming back: broken hip and broken hand…)

In an ideal world there are more than 1 care-takers around 24/7. We had about 3 family-members doing that, which is a different story than when you are on your own like Sue.

She does drink a lot of water…

That’s good news, father didn’t drink much…

If there is too much water in the body, it will start accumulating from bottom to top (feet become bigger…).

If there is not enough water, then the skin will become dry. Pull your skin up and see how it bounces back. Then do it with the person you care about: if the skin is not bouncing back, it’s an indication that the person is getting dehydrated.

Again: when talking about terminal cancer: all will get worse every day, so you have to do a difficult balancing act between:

  • enough water,
  • enough food, not too much pain and
  • enough stool…

And these are just the primary needs of life, we didn’t talk quality of life yet…

How do I know the end is approaching?

First you take the liver cancer prognosis from your doctors as a guidance. Then you make sure like we did: get palliative nurses in every day and make sure the house-doctor comes in every once in a while. Like that they can tell you following their experience "if the end is approaching or not…".

Yet they are not eager to give you that information because nobody can predict the future. It’s a give and take between the care-givers and at the end stage of father’s metastatic liver cancer: the nurses did put their attention to mother: telling her to take better care of herself. Meaning: the end was near "when mother was almost finished and father was as well"…

In medical terms: the liver cancer patient will get jaundice (yellow eyes). Now I one day thought father’s eyes were yellow so I asked the doctor. And the doctor said: you father’s eyes are as normal as possible… In other words: if you don’t have the medical experience, even yellow eyes are not easy to spot.

According to our doctor the last days are approaching when the cancer patient becomes itchy all over… We never experienced this either: father passed away in his sleep…

When you are very close to the person, you feel when the end is near though: the last day father took all the blankets from his bed (it is said in the common believe that that’s a sign of a person that is changing this life for the next). But more compelling were his words to mom: "if I had to do it all over again, I would have done it with you for sure"… Very clear words from a very weak person…

That night his breathing became weaker and the next day there was no more breathing…

Myself I had the feeling that father was "getting worse" suddenly, so I told all my brothers and sisters: if you do want to come still: better come soonest. They all came that week-end: father must have seen that we all managed well without him and the next week he passed this life for a life without pain…

Do you have a liver cancer story?

If you have a cancer story, please share it with us in a comment: it’s more easy to say: you have cancer than it is to deal with cancer… But we see that people that lived with a loved one having cancer do have similar questions, anger, feelings…

So share your story : it will help others and you will find out yourself that you are not alone…


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